Engaging Israel: Beyond Advocacy   (09/03/2010)

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The case for Israel
The strongest case would be the actions we take and the way we reach out to others. For instance TEDxTelAviv is a great vehicle to show positive deeds and innovation. You guys are reaching out as professional campaigners and not as one human being to another. You do not share that we all have the same aspirations for ourselves and our kids. The mainstream Jewish community is also being brainwashed by facts about our neighbours that cause suspicion and distrust. We are all boogie men in each others eyes.
Ziona Etzion, Israel, Apr 27 2010 12:38:00:000AM

Lets all face reality.
Israel has only one "Narrative" it is the Torah. If Jews would realize that all of our goodwill goes unnoticed by International opinion. When we must defend our selves, we are labeled aggressors, apartheidic or compared to the nazis of Germany. The fact is we need not worry about what world opinion says. We live buy our conscious, by the Torah and by our strength. Peace will never be achieved by giving up land or buy giving up our defenses. Never.
Andrew Bales, Vietnam, Apr 12 2010 12:43:00:000AM

Insightful and thoughful
Israeli`s current narrative has been imposed by external circumstances of goyisha forces and survival actions and `justifications` have temporarily superceded the long term Jewish narrative which is an outreach for moral uplift among all nations by Jewish example. The mission of `by example` is being impeded and questioned by overwhelming forces of destruction aimed at the source; Israel. The messanger is being deligitimized to silence the message by latteral actions to undermine Israel. An outrageous example is the nonsense about organ harvesting and Jewish doctors assisting in Haiti. One blood libel leads to another and the media feeds on this without being held accountable. It may take several lifetimes for Israel to secure its base of operations for its godly message, and some of us are gong to have to be patient and take two tacts at once; its like swimming in filth; one hand stroke for protection, another stroke to move forward. Double work. Its worthwhile work. The strategy of the opposition is to exhaust Israel`s and the resources of the diaspora Jewish community`s time, money, lives, lands and emotions. E.G. Its taken Jews 60+ years to barely get nations to oppose genocide conceptually, but legally, its not a done deal, yet, punishment after for the loosers who get caught after their governments fall and only for Black Africans, but not prevention or applicable to Whites, yet. Next step, how do we get Xtians to change their culture to not teach hatred of Jews? Outlawing its expression is a start, but who is monitoring Muslim and Catholic and Lutheran pulpits? No one. Religious expression is still permitted in this regard. The article asks for more introspection on the survival and freedom issues, not needed. The best defense is a good offense. Stop allowing the goyem, the doubters, the athiests, the Arabs, the White House to dictate the dialogue and query of Zionist self-justification and proceed to Jewish advocacy issues with Israel as its center. Failing to do will reduce Judiasm to the level of Islam; a great religion with a great and ancient religious university in Cairo that no one listens to.
Dean Blake, USA, Mar 25 2010 7:01:00:000PM

New Jewish Narrative Not Needed
What is needed is not a new Jewish narrative, but an evolving Jewish narrative.
Stan Seidner, Ph.D., D.Sci., D. Heb. Lett., USA, Mar 21 2010 12:28:00:000AM

engaging Israel: Beyond advocacy
I have given this subject a lot of thought.Simply calling our enemies anti-semetic is rather a shallow arguement and inself begs further questions. The answer is to home in on the truth and thus expose the motives of our critics. 1) There are 1400 million muslims on this planet and just 13 million Jews. The former make up nearly a quarter of the human race, the latter dont even make 1/4 of one percent. 2. Majority muslim states have 58 members of the UN. We are just one. 3) Muslim states sit on a huge chunk of the worlds oil reserves. 4) Europe, a hotbed of Israel haters, may well have 8/10 percent of its voters counted as muslims. Noting all the above points, Why should the Foreign Ministries of non muslim states support Israel? The duty of all Foreign Ministers is to `suck up` to foreighners. So if you were the Foreign Minister of say, Brazil, Who would you suck up to? The US is the exception. Why? Because the US is the only super power and cannot depend on being loved as a tool of maintaining world order. Israel is thus used to keep a sort of order in that region. If the muslims have a complaint about Israel, it is only the US that has that power to alter Israeli policy. Note, I said the US, not the US President. I include Congress and thus the people. The present President seems to lack this insight. So perhaps this line of advocacy will open peoples eyes as to why the hate mongers are having their way. As Jews, we cannot let others dictate what we know to be our high moral and ethical standard.
Stanley Cohen, UK, Mar 19 2010 3:41:00:000PM

Wrong Premise
Sorry, but I can`t agree less with this article. First, you assume Israel`s Zionist policies are right and all that`s needed is to educate the rest of the world. The opposite side of the coin is Zionism is wrong and represents a racist state that oppresses members not of it`s group. I believe the Zionist claims to being the original indigenous peoples is far less objectionable then to what you`re doing to the current indigenous group. Also, that claim carries very little weight today, it`s like saying the Italians have claim to Caesarea from the Roman period. Second, to claim that Israel is an important ally in fighting terrorism is a myth. In fact one could argue that Israel is one of the root causes, because of their belligerent actions in the past. Don`t forget, though it was a preemptive strike for supposedly defensive reason, Israel struck first in the 67 war. I`m sure that resonates to Arabs as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Finally, Israel seems absolutely paranoid with any criticism. Especially against the IDF, which Israeli`s view as perfect, while the rest of the world sees them as a Goon Squad with as much sensitivity as the Nazi SS. The policy of letting the IDF investigate itself is seriously flawed. The outcomes are predictable and boilerplate rhetoric. Maybe this more a problem with the Settlers situation, but clearly the IDF is not neutral. Their injustices against the Palestinians to be a front for the Settlers and not control this group of squatters has done Israel serious damage. The conclusion is Israel got off on the wrong path from the get go. It should of focused on democratic principles that were inclusive of the current indigenous peoples.
Joe, US, Mar 18 2010 8:24:00:000AM

The Golden Calf
Since I raised the biblical reference to the "Samson Solution/Option", describing Israel`s nuclear weaponry, allow me to raise another biblical reference which ,IMO, is just as important namely the biblical tale of the Jewish people, while wondering the desert, succumbing to the seduction of worshiping the Golden Calf( temporal Israeli State)
American, USA, Mar 17 2010 6:31:00:000PM

David USA comment
Let me add one more rather scary piece of information to DavidUSA`s comment. On the Israeli "street", Israel`s nuclear arsenal is often referred to as the "Samson Solution or Option". This biblical reference to killing oneself while taking your enemies with you smacks of the mindset that resulted in the mass suicide at Jonestown and demonstrates the danger and necessity of strong international intervention(long refused by Israel and prevented by the US) in taking control of the situation.
American Jew, USA, Mar 17 2010 5:59:00:000PM

Jewish Narative
I totally agree with Donniel`s article. I am one of those people who believes that we need to educate the `rest of the world` about the greatness of Israel: its democracy, its growing agricultural achievements, its scientific achievements. There is so much good happening in Israel now that we need to move on from constantly bringing up statistics on the Holocaust (as important as they are). As Donniel states "if engaging Israel will be successful it will be so only because we will find a way to integrate commitment to Israel with a larger Jewish value conversation and invite people of all political and religious sensibilities to be engaged and participate in thinking about and shaping the unfinished experiment which is modern Israel" What we have to do now is to look at how we engage and invite these politicians/countries to see how modern and forward thinking Israel is, and change their `biased` ideas on Israel.
ida, UK, Mar 16 2010 3:04:00:000PM

The way it really is…
G. Ben-Nathan’s comment of Mar. 12 speaks volumes. In it there is absolutely no sense of awareness of reality. He simply asserts that critics of Israel and Jews ‘hate.’ This is absurd, childish-—but, unfortunately, probably representative of the Jewish right-wing “street,” in much of the world. In this posture of denial there is no acknowledgement, for example, that the West, and much of the world, have been patient and tolerant and supportive of Israel for decades. But now at last, Israeli hard-headedness and cruelties and abuses have burned up the goodwill. It is over. The world is fed up. The comment below, on Mar 13 from American Jew, is more in touch with the situation as it is. Israel has behaved shamefully. That is the truth, short and sweet. But Israelis, instead of acknowledging it, rage against sensible critics, like Goldstone and the rights organizations. Israelis come across sort of like domestic violence abusers living in denial, maybe with alcohol problems, disconnected from sanity, i.e., from both the community and from legal realities. Israelis seem not to be aware even of how they sound and appear to others. That is the problem – not the hasbara from the mouths, but the thoughts in their minds. The situation is very bad, and getting progressively worse. Jews need a reality-check. Israel is dragging down Jewry into a disgrace from which it is unlikely they will escape. Innocence is now lost. The world has opened its eyes. The sympathy and goodwill that were once extended, are now gone. Naivete is over. In fact, sympathy goes soaring for the Palestinians, victims of Nakba, the Gaza gulag, Occupation, and decades of violence. I am not a hater. I resent being dismissed as one. I have not the slightest, tiniest bit of hatred in my heart for anyone. Hatred is a waste of energy for me. But like billions of others, I realize that Israel is dragging us into ever-greater danger. Islamization is gaining rapidly, and there is nothing to stop it, save more wars and disasters which we cannot afford. In the Islamic eschatology of the Qu’ran, all Jews will be destroyed. Do Jews not know this yet? Are Jews not concerned yet? How much longer do you suppose the Obama brain-trust will be able to keep propping up quasi-secular government of Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Gulf states, etc. from succumbing to Islamic extremists? I would not take this for granted. Do you want to be surrounded by half a billion more Irans? And Israel’s cavalier gesture is to humiliate Biden --- as also Turkey’s ambassador some months ago. So in truth, Israel appears incapable of mental sanity, let alone of responsible membership in a world community. Given the reality which the world experiences, there can be no new hasbara aspirin or narrative panacea for Israel. This grasping for a new hasbara itself is a sign of unrealistic thinking. For that matter, the current Jewish and Israeli historical narratives have been shot full of holes already, by Israeli academics and critics themselves, not to mention Israel’s very long list of enemies. This current genre of strident, well-documented Israel- and Judaism-bashing is the hot intellectual story of the decade. It will continue and become mainstream. Any revision of the hasbara that comes forth will, by definition, be just another one-sided, self-isolating story-line of self-delusion cooked up in solipsism, further disconnecting Israel from the narrative of reality as it is. The narrative the rest of the world faces.
david, USA, Mar 16 2010 6:11:00:000AM

Israel today
The questions Donniel are essential for Jews all over the world. They need to be discussed and a plan of implementation needs to be constructed so that the younger generations of Jews know why Israel plays a most meaningful and significant part in their Jewish identity.
Rita, USA, Mar 14 2010 3:14:00:000AM

Karl`s comment
Karl... while your points are well-taken, they miss the essential point for American Jews like myself which is that Israel has been represented as the focus of Jewish identity since its creation. As an American, extremely proud of his Jewish identity, my reaction to what is now going on in Israel with regard to the second class citizenship of Palestinians who are citizens of Israel as well, the occupation of the "territories" and the deliberate strangulation of the people in Gaza fills me with a most powerful emotion... one of SHAME! No amount of talk about high-tech and medical accomplishments will change my position. I will not tolerate being made to feel ashamed of my Jewish identity with regard to what I feel is the primary defining character of being a Jew.. i.e. being a "mensch", defined as a caring, compassionate person committed to justice for all!
American Jew, USA, Mar 13 2010 6:35:00:000PM

new narrative
I agree that a new narrative is required to explain Israel as the political expression of the self-determination of the Jewish People. This communication strategy has to be based on two fundamental points of focus. First, there needs to be a deep understanding that, of all extant Peoples, the Jewish People has the strongest claim to be aboriginal to Israel, in the same way that certain tribes in North America have aboriginal rights to their homeland. Second, it must be understood that antisemitism includes persistently targeting Israel and applying to Israel a more exigent standard than regularly applied to other countries in the same of similar circumstances. These two points of focus are absolutely essential. They can be developed with very solid historical, legal, ethical and political arguments for the marketplace of ideas. Unfortunately, Jews tend to be (a) narrowly Eurocentric and (b) "stylishly" leftist. Because they are Eurocentric (Weltanschauung of Ashkenazim), they fail to understand the deep significance of the fact that since antiquity Jews have always lived in the Middle East, including --in each and every century-- some around the Jordan River. Because they are "stylishly" leftist, many Jews have abandoned fundamental principles of equality and non-discrimination in favour of distorted notions of "affirmative action" that privilege Muslims, Arabs or Palestinians over Jews. But, what is now urgently required is thoroughgoing application of modern human-rights methodologies, vigorously applied for the benefit of Jews and the Jewish People in the same fashion as for other historically victimized groups, e.g., American Blacks. If we are to apply modern human-rights methodologies to the sphere of international relations, it is clear that a persistent pattern of "discriminatory" criticism of Israel is antisemitic. Jews and the Jewish People have to be vigilant and outspoken with regard to the defence of their right to equality and equal protection.
Allen Z. Hertz, China, Mar 13 2010 6:08:00:000AM

new narrative for israel
No NEW narrative as such for Israel is needed. To produce one would be to concede, by default so-to-speak, that contemporary prejudices against the Jewish state are justified. They are not. We are dealing here with the dream of an ancient people to keep faith with their history and their religion. We are equally dealing with the determination of a whole host of disparate forces NOT to let them do so. Initially these forces limit their struggle to Jews living in an independent state. But only a fool, with no reading of Jewish history, would believe that this is the limit of their objective. The question must be asked and the question must be satisfactorily answered as to WHY there is the degree of concentration that there is on matters dealing with the Jewish state. Is it altruistic objectivity? It most certainly is not. It is because the Jewish state, miniscule as it is, is the world`s only J E W I S H state. For all the Jewish state`s many detractors, that is one state too many. WHY is it one state too many? Answers are many. The main one is that after a prolonged period of exile (from CE 135 to CE 1948, just over 1800 years to be precise) the world, including many Jews, is uncomfortable with the idea of Jewish self-determination. They are even more disconcerted with the phenomenon of Jewish P O W E R. No new Jewish narrative is needed beyond, perhaps, the ability to recognise and publicly denounce Jew-haters for what they are - Jew-haters.
G. Ben-Nathan, United Kingdom, Mar 12 2010 11:01:00:000PM

a new narrative
If only it was simple to convey a new narrative to American Jews. As you may know last October J Street a new political action committee tried to iengage American Jews on some of thee topics and were denounced for being anti-Israel, anti semitic, etc For now as support forISrael is ebbing away the people who are still clinging to the first narrative refuse to believe that an open dialogue with each other would be helpful. In fact they believe it will injure Israel. It is a sad state of affairs. I`m waiting to `see a new narrative . Where will it come from???
Deborah Harris, USA, Mar 12 2010 3:53:00:000AM

religous parameters
As Jews, if we could learn to include more `partly` Jewish people in more conversations like this, then we would all see how many Jews of all types there are in our world. And how many different `partly` Jewish opinions we would have to help us negotiate through this rapidly changing world
jim, usa, Mar 11 2010 11:33:00:000PM

New Narrative
A very interesting and thought-provoking article. Especially when addressed to non-Jews (such as me), the narrative should also discuss Judaism`s commitment to social justice work (as in tikkun olam), the fact that Israel is a vibrant democracy where even the President is not above the law and can be indicted, the contributions of Israel in medicine and computer technology, Israel as a non-racist society (witness the rescue of Ethiopian Jews), Israel`s humanitarian work (e.g., in Haiti), gender equality and the role of women in Israel, etc. The summary message all this conveys is that the existence of Israel as a Jewish state is good for all mankind.
Karl, USA, Mar 11 2010 11:16:00:000AM

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