Doing what we must to bring Gilad Shalit home   (01/12/2009)

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galid
Hartman is wrong. Time and again terrorists released return to do more terrorism. Soldiers have to realize that they may be killed or captured. The whole country can`t be held hostage to one person.
alan grodsky, usa, Dec 28 2009 8:09:00:000PM

Hartman incapable of seeing big picture
Do not be surprised when more attacks on soldiers are executed and there will be more Gilads. Some alive, some dead, as the IDF vainly arrests mass murdering terrorists just to be freed.
Avi Steinson, Israel, Dec 21 2009 11:42:00:000PM

Bring Ilad home
I agree without hesitation to do all we can to bring Schalit home. This is the strength of Israel and the core of its values. Israel is a nation that cares about life. Sara Malamud-Israel
Sara Malamud, Israel, Dec 8 2009 7:42:00:000AM

A modest proposal
If Israel had the death penalty for convicted terrorists, these painful issues raised in your well articulated article might likely become moot.
D Barnett, USA, Dec 8 2009 6:46:00:000AM

Freed Convicts Murder
Rabbi Hartman neglects to address the families of those whose loved ones have been murdered by convicts previously freed by Israel. He should write a comment AFTER meeting those victims. Then the word "potential" danger may disappear from his lexicon.
David Bedein, MSW, Israel, Dec 6 2009 9:26:00:000PM

Free Gilad Shalit
Of course ,everything should be done, to free Gilad Shalit, no matter how many have to be releazed. It will only show the world, that Israel cares about its soldiers and that, no matter how much it costs to release him, will only show, that one innicent soldier is more worth than many arab terrorists.
Fridjon Steinarsson, Denmark, Dec 6 2009 3:39:00:000PM

SHALIT
SCHMALTZY THINKING MAKES FOR BAD STRATEGIC POLICY. GIVE IN SHALIT WITH A BAD TRADE AND THE NEXT TIME THE ENEMY WILL WANT TERRITORY TO GET BACK A CAPTIVE.
MARK KLEIN, M.D., USA, Dec 5 2009 10:20:00:000AM

Bringing Shalit Home
The question of whether we are a family or a small, embattled people need not, and indeed cannot, be resolved. We are both. We cannot stop being small, this the Torah tells us: “...you are the smallest of all the nations” [DEUTERONOMY VII:7]. We can stop being embattled either by winning or by succumbing. We must never stop being a family. In this sense, Rabbi Hartman is right. But by isolating the discussion to the current proposal on Gilad Shalit, neither the Shalit deal nor the tension between the facets of our national identity is receiving the attention deserved. Gidalia Schreiber, current president of Jerusalem`s Yeshurun synagogue, former NRP activist, director-general of the Ministry of Religions and director-general of the Chief Rabbinate, comments the divisiveness of Israel. When the Pharaoh begins to crack under the pressure of the Plagues, he summons Moses and says: “go pray to hashem your God, who are those who will be going?” [EXODUS X:8] Schreiber says that Pharaoh knew the Jews well and that once there would have to be choices, we would infight to death. Moses, the greatest leader in the history of Man, did not fall into Pharaoh’s divide-and-rule trap and answered: “youth and elderly, male and female, sheep and cattle...” Zach Baumell, Zvika Feldman, Yehuda Katz, Ron Arad, Guy Chever and Jonathan Pollard are our sons, too. Where are they? Not at hand? Perhaps so. But who can justify counting Gilad Shalit’s 1,258 days and ignoring the 10,038, 8779, 8450 and 4,492 days of the others? More than the release of 1,000 convicted terrorists for a single kidnapped soldier, it is our willingness to de-friend six sons to wallow in the bleak doom of captivity while cut off our right arm to save one, which sends the message of weakness. Rabbi Hartman points out that our issue is discussed extensively in the Talmud. The Talmud, which insists that the community may not redeem captives for more than their “value” only, relieves the captive`s family from any restraint or limit. Our only way to remain within the guidelines of the Talmud is to view the entire nation as one family. And indeed, we are. There need not be differentiation between these two facets of our identity. If we look to the Torah, we see what our ancestors did when faced with an identical situation. The Canaanites of Arad raided our convoy out of Egypt and took a lone captive. [NUMBERS XXI:1] The nation did not need Moses to instruct them. “Israel vowed to God: if You shall Give this nation unto my hand, I shall destroy their cities.” And so it was. We can destroy the Gaza Strip. Should we? I think not. Should we tell Hamas that we won’t discuss Shalit without discussing the other 6 known captives? We should, but will it work; can we? I think we can, but only if we shift out of the trade presumption and adopt an approach of strength. On several occasions, Netanyahu has said and demonstrated that the Palestinians are sensitive at two pressure points: money and land. The correct point to press on now is land. We could and should take back land that we turned over to Palestinian control little by little. One square kilometer per increment is enough. We can start at the northern edge of the Gaza Strip, which Sharon gave up just four years ago. The land must be put beyond the reach of the Arabs by annexing it in a single, quick three-call Knesset decision as Menachem Begin did with the Golan in 1981. Each week that the prisoners are not returned will induce an additional expropriation. All the prisoners, probably Pollard among them, will be back before long. Will this happen? Principals and pilosophy must be presented in the framework of reality. Just as Shalit must not be treated without the other six, the prisoner issue must not be handled outside of the context of the Israel-Arab conflict. The Shalit deal is already well advanced. The 1985 Jibril deal (1,149 terrorists released) set the precedent for the magnitude. The precedent for releasing the most evil of terrorists, committed to continue terrorism, was set in 2008 when Israel, in return for the bodies of Eldad Regev and Udi Goldwasser, released Samir Kuntar, murderer of five including 4-year-old Einat Haran whose skull he crushed against a rock with his rifle butt. The deal involves Germany and France and the US involvement is not to be ignored. Our government was elected into an existing situation. Can it take a position of back to square one? It cannot. Like Rabbi Hartman proposes, we must understand that our strength is in our unity. Like Moses in Egypt we must make that unity pervade every corner of our existence. And like Moses in the desert, we have to know when to fight and when to back down (Edom, NUMBERS XX:21). Louis Lipsky Jerusalem
Louis Lipsky, Israel, Dec 4 2009 11:56:00:000AM

Gilad Schalit
Of course we all want Gilad back. But the price is just too high? Not according to the Meir Hagolah, Rav Rottenberg, who was personally taken hostage and refused to allow himself to be ransomed because the price demanded would set a terrible precedent. I would have no problem with a military expedition to extricate Schalit, no matter how risky. But why have a military at all, if all the enemy has to do is capture one soldier and all the enemy will be freed? Leadership demands the strength to say no to the popular whim for long term values. Else why have leadership. We live in a very sophisticated era, we could govern by public opinion poll. Leadership, like parents must have the strength to say no.
David Willig, USA, Dec 3 2009 11:46:00:000PM

Jewish Law
RABBI SHOULD KNOW JEWISH lAW.Jewish law does not say do whatever is necessary.On the contrary.Normative Jewish Law has major limitations especially when dealing with terrorists who will return to kill.
daat y, israel, Dec 3 2009 8:47:00:000PM

Gilad Schalit
Dear Donniel, You wrote a very thoughtful and compassionate article and weighed both sides of the matter of the price for the release of Gilad Schalit opur brother and son. The only question I have is will you write the same article but this time it is entitled, Doing What Must Be Done to Bring Jonathan Pollard Home " ?
Kenny Lerner, Israel, Dec 3 2009 7:04:00:000PM

This issue is s excruciating...
This issue is so excruciating that I could not sleep after I read all the comments on the national and international press. Reading this article written so beautifully cheered me up. I agree without hesitation to do all we can to bring Schalit home. This is the strength of Israel and the core of its values. Israel is a nation that cares about life, radical Islam cares only about death and destruction
Piera Prister, USA, Dec 3 2009 6:11:00:000PM

You stretch the facts to fit your polemic
You are incorrect in saying about the IDF: "Nowhere is this more evident than on the battlefield, where our tradition of not leaving anyone behind is an instinctive guiding principle of our army, very often regardless of the consequences." When we disregard the consequences we lose the battle. In cases where Israel incorrectly invested in rescuing dead or wounded we ended up killing more Jews than we saved. THere is nothing in Jewish tradition to justify this logic. YOu have distorted the facts to fit you polemic.
Nitsan, USA, Dec 2 2009 9:40:00:000PM

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